"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
01/29/2018 at 19:28 • Filed to: None
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"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
01/29/2018 at 19:28 • Filed to: None | 0
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I ask primarily for the opinion of a certain Brazilian attorney whose Citroen won’t start.
Today a friend of mine said that programing would be the cornerstone of many careers including law, since one smart boi could program a machine with certain laws and using “artificial inteligence” (read: data and statistics) it could generate a few legal strategies for the actual lawyers to work with.
Think of it as a lawer CAD software, it does all the boring stuff for you once you tell it what you want it to do.
But data and statistics aren’t absolute, lest we have a robot deal with this sort of
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Roadster Man
> Spanfeller is a twat
01/29/2018 at 19:48 |
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As an attorney, that’s a completely wrong assumption of what a lawyer does, in my experience. AI will probably take over the field of legal research, and algorithms already make my research FAR easier than the last generation of lawyers. Still, in my field there is no substitute for face-to-face interaction.
And AI can’t sweet talk the lady at the Town Hall office to let me submit an application for a permit a day late!!
jimz
> Spanfeller is a twat
01/29/2018 at 19:53 |
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no, because being a competent programmer or software architect is a specialized skill, and thinking everyone should learn a specialized skill is madness.
tromoly
> Spanfeller is a twat
01/29/2018 at 19:58 |
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Think of it as a lawer CAD software, it does all the boring stuff for you once you tell it what you want it to do
The words you’re looking for are algorithm, and that’s not how CAD works. Besides who said hand drafting is boring? I’d hand draft everything if somehow my drawings could be directly imported to FEA or CFD packages, it’s a really fun skill to have.
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> tromoly
01/29/2018 at 20:07 |
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I might sound like an idiot asking this... but...
Is there a way for you to draw your drafts, photocopy them, and have them converted to a vector file that CAD recognizes?
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> Roadster Man
01/29/2018 at 20:09 |
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“no substitute for face-to-face interaction”
I happen to agree with you, I just suspect that computers could become more and more important for your career!
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> jimz
01/29/2018 at 20:14 |
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But writting was a speciallized skill hundreds of years ago.
I’m certain that it takes a lot of time to master computer programming (its a specialized skill as you said) but its application as a tool for other careers makes it a great skill to learn even at a somewhat basic level. My university is adding computer programming to all of the engineering degrees come the 2020 study plan update and I happen to believe its a great addition. Its quite basic by the look of it because in mechanical engineering we’re getting like a two semester course and the mechatronics guys (still not the computer sciences degree) have five semester courses.
E92M3
> Roadster Man
01/29/2018 at 20:49 |
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That lady at the Town Hall you’ve been sweet talking will be replaced with a self help website in the next 5 years.
Look what happened to clerks already. Most cities still have ONE, but they want you to do your own record search online, and pay to download documents.
Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch
> Spanfeller is a twat
01/29/2018 at 20:49 |
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No
Signed, a person who often has to recreate extensive existing hand drawings into digital models.
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tromoly
> Spanfeller is a twat
01/29/2018 at 20:49 |
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Kind of, there’s services that can convert an image into a 2D DWG, however it takes a bunch of clean-up to make it usable and there are no references so you can easily destroy the entire drawing with one wrong edit. Nothing can take an image and convert to usable 3D, there’s no free lunch.
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> tromoly
01/29/2018 at 20:52 |
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A shame really...
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> Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch
01/29/2018 at 20:52 |
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Oh, well that’s a shame.
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> tromoly
01/29/2018 at 20:54 |
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I can enjoy the flexibility and user-friendly nature of hand drawing, but I must admit that its a bit adictive knowing that a software tool can turn maybe 4 hours of work into 45 minutes of work!
DipodomysDeserti
> Spanfeller is a twat
01/29/2018 at 21:02 |
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Very true. My seven year-old is starting to learn extremely basic programming at her school.
crowmolly
> Spanfeller is a twat
01/29/2018 at 21:21 |
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Today a friend of mine said that programing would be the cornerstone of many careers including law, since one smart boi could program a machine with certain laws and using “artificial inteligence” (read: data and statistics) it could generate a few legal strategies for the actual lawyers to work with.
I don’t think so. Remember, machine learning/AI is typically bootstrapped using historical data and that’s currently a big problem.
Example: It won’t be lenient on this first time shoplifter, because he’s going to be a repeat offender. You know, since he’s black. And black people are in the system a lot. The white guy who has a felony robbery charge on his record gets off easier because he’s white and “a low repeat risk”.
And you can’t “just make an algorithm” for anything and everything. There’s a shitload of bad ones out there and good stuff is typically not written by casuals.
Some of the state of the art stuff that was written by the best algorithmists in the world has been found to be fucked years later. If that’s legal cases/sentencing, that was just somebody’s life.
Tell your friend to look up “machine bias”.
Aremmes
> Spanfeller is a twat
01/29/2018 at 21:34 |
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If technology comes to a point where an AI system can analyze a legal case and a history of case work to come up with a strategy, then the language used as input for that system will look not far removed from current legalese, probably a bit more standardized and formalized to remove ambiguity. Therefore, wouldn’t need to become a programmer any more than a competent lawyer.
Computer programming concerns itself with making the tools that allow other processes to occur. To make a bad car analogy, it focuses on the journey, not the destination.
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> crowmolly
01/29/2018 at 21:50 |
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I agree that it must be limited because AI is basically statistics and those might reflect something that isn’t necessarily true.
That’s why I know that profession will not be taken away by machines, but many of the adjacent tasks to those profession can be made more agile with machines. A good lawyers would make sure to account for machine bias and I would certainly disqualify AI as a judge.
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> Aremmes
01/29/2018 at 21:54 |
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I’m just assuming that whomever writes thatAI program willbe the ruler of the court.